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Thermal Intradiscal Procedures

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Pinzon, Elmer Title: Assistant Professor, Department of Surgery/PM&R
Organization: University of Tennessee Medical Center, Knoxville
Date: 08/14/2008
Comment:

Highlights of CMS Proposed Decision Memo for Thermal Intradiscal Procedures (ASIPP and ISIS public statements)

  • On July 15, 2008 CMS published a Proposed Decision Memo for Thermal Intradiscal Procedures, including Intradiscal Electrothermal Therapy (IDET), in which CMS proposes a non-coverage policy.

  • During the initial comment period after the National Coverage Analysis for Thermal Intradiscal Procedures was announced, CMS received numerous comments from clinicians and clinical

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  • Simopoulos, Thomas Date: 08/14/2008
    Comment:

    Thermal intradiscal procedures (IDET) are the only minimally invasive procedures that can help the pain related to early disc degenerative disease. Discogenic pain by nature remains a treatment challenge. The scientific evidence generated over the years to support IDET is at least equal to most any other spine intervention. I continue to offer this valuable treatment to my patients.

    Kaufman, Robert Date: 08/14/2008
    Comment:

    Dear Dr. Phurrough,

    I have reviewed the comment letter submitted by AAPM, AAPM&R, ASA, ASIPP, ASSR, ISIS, NASS, and PASSOR, and I was pleased to see that the societies wrote "[W]e believe that IDET is a valid option if practiced in a disciplined manner according to the recommended criteria." I urge CMS to follow this recommendation, reconsider its Proposed Decision Memo for IDET, and preserve patient access to this important procedure.

    Sincerely, Robert Kaufman

    Rohan, Barbara Title: Vice President, Government Affairs
    Organization: Smith & Nephew
    Date: 08/14/2008
    Comment:

    Smith & Nephew strongly urges you to adopt a positive coverage determination for intradiscal electrothermal (IDET) procedures. This request is supported by the scientific and clinical literature as well as the specialty societies and physicians who have submitted comments and are most familiar with furnishing IDET to patients. To date, at least 27 clinical reports and scientific papers document the effectiveness of IDET.

    We recognize the challenges of gathering and reviewing

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    Washabaugh, Edward Title: Medical Director
    Organization: Michigan Pain Specialists
    Date: 08/14/2008
    Comment:

    Thermal intradiscal prodcedures have been very helpful to patients with axial low back pain. The burning of the nerve fibers that grow into the degenerative disc markedly decreases back pain. Studies of fusion verses idet compares "apples to oranges". The idet is cheap and with almost no side effects even if it fails! Fusion cannot make those claims.

    Ed
    Heller, Daniel Title: MD
    Organization: Blue Ridge Orthopaedic and Spine Center
    Date: 08/14/2008
    Comment:

    Dear Dr. Phurrough:

    I am writing to express our surprise and our disagreement with CMS’ recently published Proposed Decision Memo on “Thermal Intradiscal Procedures.” I respectfully disagree with CMS’ decision because, as noted in the evidence-based practice guidelines that were published by ASIPP and which were submitted to CMS in January, there is substantial clinical evidence supporting the continued coverage of these procedures, particularly coverage of Intradiscal Electrothermal

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    Brodie, RN, MSN, JD, Carol Title: Director, Clinical Research and Policy Development
    Organization: Office of Medical Policy & Technology Assessment, WellPoint Inc.
    Date: 08/13/2008
    Comment:

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    Shah, Kris Title: Vice President
    Organization: Baylis Medical
    Date: 08/13/2008
    Comment:

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    Petersohn, Jeffrey Date: 08/13/2008
    Comment:

    Comment on: Thermal Intradiscal Therapy and CAG#: CAG-00387N

    I am a physician with extensive experience with both IDET and Biacuplasty devices in clinical practice and in research settings and am very familiar with the pertinent literature. I wish to protest the establishment of a non-approval recommendation for IDET as inappropriately flawed and for Biacuplasty as premature, and without specific basis or relevant supporting data. As you know, CMS non-coverage decisions are

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    Yeik, Glenn Title: President
    Organization: Trimedyne, Inc.
    Date: 08/13/2008
    Comment:

    Dear Dr. Phurrough & Staff:

    We respectfully disagree with the Proposed Decision Memorandum on Thermal Intradiscal Procedures (CAG-00387N) by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services ('CMS'), as it unfairly and incorrectly includes lasers in its Proposed Non-Coverage Determination.

    Indeed, lumping lasers with radio frequency energy (RFE) and electrothermal energy (ETE) devices assumes apples and oranges are the same. They are not. Pulsed Holmium Lasers and RFE and ETE

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    Frazier, Lewis Date: 08/13/2008
    Comment:

    I believe the basis for the necessary availability of intradiscal theramal treatments has been thoroughly researched and documented in the current comments. I am writing just to say that I have personally had excellent results in patients properly selected, with IDET and Biaccuplasty procedures. Recall that this is a treatment for a subset of patients that really has debilitating axial low back pain that will not respond to any other treatment other than fusion or disc replacement, and as

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    Yin, MD, Way Title: Vice-President
    Organization: International Spine Intervention Society
    Date: 08/13/2008
    Comment:

    To: Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services

    Regarding: NCD for Thermal Intradiscal Therapy (CAG-00387N)

    From: American Academy of Pain Medicine (AAPM)
    Kenneth A. Follett, MD, PhD, President
    Rollin M. Gallagher, MD, MPH, President-elect
    American Academy of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation (AAPMR)
    David Cifu, MD, President
    American Society of Interventional Pain Physicians (ASIPP)
    David Kloth, MD, Director-at-large
    American Society of

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    Gunes, Seval Title: Clinical Associate Professor of Anesthesiology
    Organization: VA Dallas Medical Center, University of Texas Southwestern Medical School at Dallas
    Date: 08/13/2008
    Comment:

    I am very saddened that CMS is considering non-coverage of IDET type procedures. The literature is well known to CMS, so I will not repeat the point that about half the patients undergoing the procedure have a very good outcome. In my experience at the VA Medical Center in Dallas I had a 28 year old veteran with disabling low back pain who was on track to join the league of low back pain disabled patients on the disability "payroll".

    After the IDET he had "his life back", thanked

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    Manchikanti, MD, Laxmaiah Title: CEO and Chairman of the Board
    Organization: American Society of Interventional Pain Physicians
    Date: 08/13/2008
    Comment:

    Thank you for providing us with the opportunity to comment on this decision. We are also very grateful for your consideration of comments from ASIPP in decision-making.

    The proposed decision memo describes in detail the literature review and the process. However, CMS’s final decision that thermal intradiscal procedures are not reasonable and necessary for the treatment of low back pain and the proposal to issue a national non-coverage determination for thermal intradiscal

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    Fenton, Douglas Date: 08/12/2008
    Comment:

    Dear Dr. Phurrough and the Coverage and Analysis Group,

    I am shocked and saddened by the agency’s proposed coverage decision (or lack thereof) for CAG-00387N stating that thermal intradiscal procedures do not improve health outcomes and are not reasonable and necessary for the treatment of low back pain. My first point of contention would be that you have lumped all intradiscal procedures together (IDET, biacuplasty, PIRFT) when it has been well demonstrated that these procedures

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    Block, Jon Title: President
    Organization: Jon E. Block, Ph.D., Inc.
    Date: 08/12/2008
    Comment:

    Dear Dr. Phurrough and the Coverage and Analysis Group:

    I strongly disagree with CMS'' conclusion in their proposed decision memo titled "Thermal Intradiscal Procedures" (CAG-00387N) that "the evidence is adequate to conclude that thermal intradiscal procedures do not improve health outcomes" and that "thermal intradiscal procedures are not reasonable and necessary for the treatment of low back pain..." (p. 1 of 49). This conclusion contradicts not only the large body of

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    Cohen, MD, Steven P. Title: Associate Professor & Dir. of Medical Education
    Organization: Johns Hopkins School of Medicine
    Date: 08/11/2008
    Comment:

    Dear Dr. Phurrough,

    My name is Steven Cohen and I am writing this letter in response to CMS’ proposed Decision memorandum (CAG-00387N) passed on the National Coverage Determination of Thermal Intradiscal Procedures (TIPs).

    I am currently the Director of Medical Education for the Pain Management Division at John Hopkins School of Medicine and Chief of Pain Research at Walter Reed Army Medical Center. Over the past 10 years, we have performed several hundred Thermal

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    Mowery, MD, Thomas Organization: Interventional Pain Specialists
    Date: 08/11/2008
    Comment:
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    August 12, 2008

    Re: Thermal Intradiscal Therapy and CAG#: CAG-00387N

    Proposed Decision Memorandum Thermal Intradiscal Procedures (TIPs) - National Coverage Determination (NCD) Public Comment Periodon the proposed Decision memorandum (CAG-00387N) passed on the National Coverage

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    Trescot MD, Andrea M. Organization: American Society of Interventional Pain Physicians
    Date: 08/09/2008
    Comment:

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    Chiu, John Title: Director, Neurospine Surgery Department
    Organization: California Spine Institute Medical Center, Inc
    Date: 08/09/2008
    Comment:

    Regarding recently published Proposed National Coverage Determination Decision Memo on “Thermal Intradiscal Procedures (TIP)” I am writing to express our surprise and our disagreement with CMS. I respectfully disagree with CMS decision because, as noted in the evidence-based practice guidelines that were published by various societies including ASIPP which were submitted to CMS in January and previously. There is substantial clinical evidence supporting the continued coverage of these

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    Mathews, Douglas Title: President
    Organization: Tennessee Brain and Spine, PLC
    Date: 08/09/2008
    Comment:

    I am a neurosurgeon practicing in Nashville, Tennessee and I have extensive experience with plasma disc decompression.

    As noted by others, I, too, would like to express my concern regarding the inclusion of plasma disc decompression (PDD) using Coblation technology in this assessment. The procedures and devices which are the focus of this report are used to treat axial low back pain found with early stage disc degeneration, whereas PDD is used to treat radicular pain associated with

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    Gerszten, M.D., MPH, Peter Title: Associate Professor of Neurological Surgery
    Organization: University of Pittsburgh Physicians
    Date: 08/08/2008
    Comment:

    I am an Associate Professor of Neurosurgery at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center and have performed hundreds of plasma disc decompression procedures over the past six years. I have published extensively in peer-reviewed journals and lectured around the world regarding the procedure and am considered somewhat of an “expert” in the technique.

    In reviewing the proposed NCA for Thermal Intradiscal Therapy, CMS appears to have incorrectly classified plasma disc decompression

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    Larkin, Thomas Title: Physician
    Organization: Parkway Neuroscience and Spine Institue
    Date: 08/07/2008
    Comment:

    Thomas M. Larkin, M.D.

    Steve Phurrough, MD, MPA
    Director, Coverage and Analysis Group
    Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services
    Mailstop: C1-09-06
    7500 Security Boulevard
    Baltimore, MD 21244

    RE: Proposed Decision Memo for Thermal Intradiscal Procedures (CAG-00387N)

    Dear Dr. Phurrough:

    I am writing to express our surprise and our disagreement with CMS’ recently published Proposed Decision Memo on “Thermal Intradiscal Procedures.” I

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    McRoberts, William Porter Title: Section Chief, Pain Medicine,
    Organization: Holy Cross Hospital,
    Date: 08/06/2008
    Comment:

    Steve Phurrough, MD, MPA
    Director, Coverage and Analysis Group
    Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services
    Mailstop: C1-09-06
    7500 Security Boulevard
    Baltimore, MD 21244

    RE: Proposed Decision Memo for Thermal Intradiscal Procedures (CAG-00387N)

    Dear Dr. Phurrough:

    I am writing to express our surprise and ourdisagreement with CMS’ recently published ProposedDecision Memo on “Thermal Intradiscal Procedures.” I respectfully disagree with CMS’

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    Sureja, Raj Title: Interventional Pain Management
    Organization: Orthopaedic & Spine Center
    Date: 08/06/2008
    Comment:

    Steve Phurrough, MD, MPA
    Director, Coverage and Analysis Group
    Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services
    Mailstop: C1-09-06
    7500 Security Boulevard
    Baltimore, MD 21244

    RE: Proposed Decision Memo for Thermal Intradiscal Procedures (CAG-00387N)

    Dear Dr. Phurrough:

    I am writing to express our surprise and our disagreement with CMS’ recently published Proposed Decision Memo on “Thermal Intradiscal Procedures.” I respectfully disagree with CMS’ decision

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    Lubenow MD, Timothy Title: Physician
    Organization: Rush University Medical Center
    Date: 08/05/2008
    Comment:

    Steve Phurrough, MD, MPA
    Director, Coverage and Analysis Group
    Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services
    Mailstop: C1-09-06
    7500 Security Boulevard
    Baltimore, MD 21244

    RE: Proposed Decision Memo for Thermal Intradiscal Procedures (CAG-00387N)

    Dear Dr. Phurrough:

    I am writing to express our surprise and our disagreement with CMS’ recently published Proposed Decision Memo on “Thermal Intradiscal Procedures.” I respectfully disagree with CMS’ decision

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    Kloth, Davide Title: President and Executive Director Connecticut Pain
    Organization: President Connecticut Pain Society
    Date: 08/05/2008
    Comment:

    August 1, 2008,
    Dear Doctor Phurrough, et al:
    I have reviewed CMS' proposed coverage decision memorandum for thermal intradiscal procedures. This memorandum encompasses a number of different procedures or techniques including IDET (Intradiscal Electrothermal Annuloplasty), PIRFT (Percutaneous Intradiscal Radiofrequency Thermocoagulation), and Biaculoplasty.

    The evidence on these modalities of treatment and more specifically with IDET is quite extensive and supports

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    Kreiner, Scott Title: Physician and Partner
    Organization: Ahwatukee Sports & Spine
    Date: 08/05/2008
    Comment:

    It is unfortunate that CMS published a Proposed Decision Memo for Thermal Intradiscal Procedures, including Intradiscal Electrothermal Therapy (IDET), in which CMS proposes a non-coverage policy.

    I believe this decision to be poor and unfounded based on the available literature. I am a physician who performs a handful of these cases annually and it is the only reasonable option for these select patients with discogenic low back pain.

    There is recent published evidence that

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    Brazill, MD, John Title: MD
    Date: 08/01/2008
    Comment:

    In understand that CMS is proposing a non-coverage policy for Thermal Intradiscal Procedures, including Intradiscal Electrothermal Therapy (IDET.

    During the initial comment period after the National Coverage Analysis for Thermal Intradiscal Procedures was announced, numerous comments were submitted to CMS indicating that in appropriate patients the procedure is efficacious. Recent studies support that conclusion. A blanket non-coverage policy would thus constitute an abuse of

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    Helm, Standiford Title: Medical Director
    Organization: Pacific Coast Pain Management Center
    Date: 08/01/2008
    Comment:

    I am writing to urge CMS to maintain coverage of the IDET procedure. My interest in this issue is particularly focused in that I am currently performing a systematic review of intradiscal annuloplasty procedures, including both the IDET and Biaculoplasty procedures. Analysis of the literature is being performed using both AHRQ and Cochrane criteria. While the study will not be published until January 2009 and discussion of findings before publication is inappropriate, I have been

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    Bartoli, MS, MD, Adrian Date: 07/30/2008
    Comment:

    Hello,

    I reviewed recently your tentative decision not to cover intradiscal procedures. As an interventional pain physician with experience with these procedures, I want to say unequivocally that you are making a grave mistake.

    Anatomically, it is absolutely clear that abnormal neuroangiogenesis within the injured disc is associated with severe disc-based painful conditions that have been inadequately treated by various modalities in the past. However, simply because

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    Chang, Michael Date: 07/30/2008
    Comment:

    Intradiscal procedure should be a part of medicare coverage. They are invaluable for treatment of discogenic pain and can potentially save patients from costly and unnecessary spine surgeries. Intradiscal procedure including, IDET, Disc Biacuplasty, Nucleoplasty, should all be a part of treatment from axial low back pain. It is extremely important that medicare looks at the data critically prior to denying these procedures.

    Fadly, magued Date: 07/30/2008
    Comment:

    This is one og the greatest procedure invented for discogenic pain. I have performed more than 200 procedure over 9 years period . I only had 2 failure and more than 200 success. The reason for failure is clearly: not adhering to strict indication which is pure discogenic pain, increased with sitting, better with standing, absent neurologic symptoms and signs, clearly positive discogram in an awake patient with clear reproduction of the same pain, and adequate disc height, and the

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    Levin, Joshua Title: Interventional physiatrist
    Date: 07/23/2008
    Comment:

    CMS has come to a partially correct conclusionabout intradiscal procedures. However, theconclusion should be amended to say "that thermalintradiscal procedures are not reasonable andnecessary for the treatment of low back pain INMOST PATIENTS." However, IDET is clearly abeneficial treatment in some patients, and itwould be unfortunate if CMS “throws out the babywith the bath water.”

    In the medical literature, the randomized,double-blind, placebo controlled trial is the

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    Wright, Gary Title: Medical Director
    Organization: Meridian Health Group
    Date: 07/22/2008
    Comment:

    I have been performing Thermal Intradiscal Procedures (TIPs) for years with great success and obviously positive outcomes. The keys to getting good results are proper patient selection, the tecnical skills to do the procedures and to have strict post-op care policies to which the patients must subscribe. If these criteria are met, the treating physician is almost guaranteed good to excellent results. If CMS deems TIPs as not medically necessary, the patient loses because they are left with

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    lionetti, michelle Title: Supervising Nurse
    Organization: State of Connecticut DDS
    Date: 07/16/2008
    Comment:

    [PHI redacted] There is little evidence that surgery provides consistent good outcomes. Consumers and Physicians should have a choice.